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kashif_ash...@hotmail.com  
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 More options Jul 27, 3:05 pm
Newsgroups: sci.materials
From: kashif_ash...@hotmail.com
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:05:27 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sun, Jul 27 2008 3:05 pm
Subject: Cable strand broken
Dear group members,

i have encountered one problem and need to analyzed it before taking
any preventive action.

Contorl cable (1/8", 7X19, steel cable) strands wires were found
broken in the area where it run overs pulleys (phenolic). I have came
to know that these area are critical to fatigue but couldnt figured
out the reason and mechanism which led to such damage near pulleys. if
some one can explain me the propbable causes / reason which can led to
such occurrences or reasons which can aggravate the situation, so that
i can based my maintenance procedures and frequency to avoid future
recurrence.

hope for a sound engineering / scientific reply from group members.

thanks


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jim beam  
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 More options Jul 27, 9:28 pm
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From: jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net>
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:28:06 -0700
Local: Sun, Jul 27 2008 9:28 pm
Subject: Re: Cable strand broken

simple bending fatigue.  try a larger radius on the pulley.  if that's
not possible, better material/surface finish quality on the cable
[strands] might help.

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 More options Jul 29, 3:06 pm
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From: "deu" <david.deuch...@ntlworld.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 20:06:26 +0100
Local: Tues, Jul 29 2008 3:06 pm
Subject: Re: Cable strand broken

"jim beam" <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote in message

news:ksCdnaVNGJAjvRDVnZ2dnUVZ_vjinZ2d@speakeasy.net...

Possibly groove radius on the pulley as well, either too tight or too slack
can do it.

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kashif_ash...@hotmail.com  
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 More options Jul 31, 12:11 pm
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From: kashif_ash...@hotmail.com
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:11:59 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Jul 31 2008 12:11 pm
Subject: Re: Cable strand broken
On Jul 28, 6:28 am, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:

well i have checked pulleys as well, in some pulleys i have observed
cable groove marks in the pulley. however, i have tested the cable
sample with broken wire strands and their breaking strenght was
passing the ASTM standard with the exception of one sample that failed
to qualify the tests.

Bending loads can cause this problem, but in my case the lap angle on
the pulleys is around 10-20 degree,which i think can not contribute
much in my case.

hope that this new infomartion might help the members in further
assisting me in correct analysis.

regards


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 More options Jul 31, 11:55 pm
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From: jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net>
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:55:35 -0700
Local: Thurs, Jul 31 2008 11:55 pm
Subject: Re: Cable strand broken

breaking strength is not fatigue strength - fatigue is your problem.

> Bending loads can cause this problem, but in my case the lap angle on
> the pulleys is around 10-20 degree,which i think can not contribute
> much in my case.

angle is not radius.  radius defines bending stress.  see point above.


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