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Conbra  
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 More options Jul 18, 4:08 am
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From: Conbra <s...@sh163.net>
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 01:08:20 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Jul 18 2008 4:08 am
Subject: What logical conclusions will be drawn from “Set A belongs to Set B” and “Set C belongs to Set D” ?
What logical conclusions will be drawn from “Set A belongs to Set B”
and “Set C belongs to Set D” ?

    These two propositions are independent of each other. It is
clearly that no any logic law could be used to reason new conclusions
from these two propositions. One wants to solve this problem, he must
study the new theory base of discrete mathematics, name concept
algebra at following web:

http://blog.tom.com/concept_algebra/article/3360.html

    After studying concept algebra, this problem will be solved by
reader simply.

    I'd like to solve this problem at following post.

Conbra


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From: Wonderer <i...@here.now>
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:46:45 GMT
Local: Fri, Jul 18 2008 4:46 pm
Subject: Re: What logical conclusions will be drawn from “Set A belongs to Set B” and “Set C belongs to Set D” ?

Conbra <s...@sh163.net> wrote:
>What logical conclusions will be drawn from “Set A belongs to Set B”
>and “Set C belongs to Set D” ?

>    These two propositions are independent of each other. It is
>clearly that no any logic law could be used to reason new conclusions
>from these two propositions. One wants to solve this problem,

 What problem?


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Conbra  
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 More options Jul 18, 7:58 pm
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From: Conbra <s...@sh163.net>
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:58:15 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Jul 18 2008 7:58 pm
Subject: Re: What logical conclusions will be drawn from “Set A belongs to Set B” and “Set C belongs to Set D” ?
On Jul 19, 4:46 am, Wonderer <i...@here.now> wrote:

The proplem is how to draw logical conclusions from these two
propositions?

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 More options Jul 18, 7:59 pm
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From: Conbra <s...@sh163.net>
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:59:07 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Jul 18 2008 7:59 pm
Subject: Re: What logical conclusions will be drawn from “Set A belongs to Set B” and “Set C belongs to Set D” ?
On Jul 18, 4:08 pm, Conbra <s...@sh163.net> wrote:

The propositions “Set A belongs to Set B” and “Set C belongs to Set D”
are the relation of the four sets. The set A and set B in one
proposition, and the set C and set D in another proposition. How to
connect the relation among these four sets?

According to concept algebra the “belongs to” is one compound
operation, “<”. So that these two proposition could be written as
“Set A < Set B”  and  “Set C < Set D”
using the basic operation “*” to replace “and” on concept algebra, get
“Set A < Set B”  *  “Set C < Set D”
so that the following concept equation will be got
X  /  (Set A < Set B)  *  (Set C < Set D)  =  Dao
X is unknown variable; Dao is only one constant on concept algebra.
After solving this equation there are a lot of logical conclusion will
be drawn. The relation among these four sets is clearly.

Conbra


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 More options Jul 18, 8:32 pm
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From: Wonderer <i...@here.now>
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 00:32:07 GMT
Local: Fri, Jul 18 2008 8:32 pm
Subject: Re: What logical conclusions will be drawn from “Set A belongs to Set B” and “Set C belongs to Set D” ?

Conbra <s...@sh163.net> wrote:
> Wonderer <i...@here.now> wrote:

>> >What logical conclusions will be drawn from “Set A belongs to Set B”
>> >and “Set C belongs to Set D” ?

>> >One wants to solve this problem [...]

>>  What problem?

>The proplem is how to draw logical conclusions from these two
>propositions?

 There's no problem as it can already be done in second-order logic.
Given that a set of sets is a second-order predicate, "set A belongs
to B" is expressed B(A), and so "set C belongs to D" is expressed
D(C). Now we can for example derive this logical conclusion:

1. | B(A)                             assume
2. | | D(C)                           assume
3. | | B(A) & D(C)                    Intro & 1,2
4. | D(C) -> (B(A) & D(C))            Intro -> 2-3
5. B(A) -> (D(C) -> (B(A) & D(C)))    Intro -> 1-4

The logical conclusion in step 5 is a tautology. ~Wonderer


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From: Conbra <s...@sh163.net>
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:40:40 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, Jul 19 2008 7:40 pm
Subject: Re: What logical conclusions will be drawn from “Set A belongs to Set B” and “Set C belongs to Set D” ?
On Jul 19, 8:32 am, Wonderer <i...@here.now> wrote:

Wonderer wrote

> 5. B(A) -> (D(C) -> (B(A) & D(C)))    Intro -> 1-4

> The logical conclusion in step 5 is a tautology. ~Wonderer

There is no new relation appeared at the conclusion.

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 More options Jul 19, 7:44 pm
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From: Conbra <s...@sh163.net>
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:44:06 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, Jul 19 2008 7:44 pm
Subject: Re: What logical conclusions will be drawn from “Set A belongs to Set B” and “Set C belongs to Set D” ?
On 7月19日, 上午7时59分, Conbra <s...@sh163.net> wrote:

X  /  (Set A < Set B)  *  (Set C < Set D)  =  Dao

First solution of this equation is
X  =   (Set C  <  Set B)  /  (Set D  <  Set A)

The explanation of this solution in words is
X = If Set D belong to Set A, then Set C also belong to Set B.

That is to say, this one conclusion could be explained as:

If "Set A belongs to Set B" and "Set C belongs to Set D"; then "if Set
D belong to Set A, then Set C also belong to Set B".

Above law is logical.

Conbra


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 More options Jul 20, 2:29 am
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From: Wonderer <i...@here.now>
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 06:29:51 GMT
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Subject: Re: What logical conclusions will be drawn from “Set A belongs to Set B” and “Set C belongs to Set D” ?

 Uh, you said the problem was "how to draw logical conclusions from
these two propositions?" Well, I proved an answer: step 5 (above) is a
logical conclusion drawn for the two propositions. But now you've
switched the problem to apparently how to draw a "new relation" from
the propositions. Well, I also did that, but it seems you don't know.

 The logical connectives are functions (and all functions are
relations). So we can drop the usual infix notation and for example
instead of writing P & Q we can write &(P,Q) to make the functional
(and thus relational) nature of the statement clear. So several
relations were drawn from the two propositions. ~Wonderer


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From: Conbra <s...@sh163.net>
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:16:46 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: What logical conclusions will be drawn from “Set A belongs to Set B” and “Set C belongs to Set D” ?
On Jul 20, 7:44 am, Conbra <s...@sh163.net> wrote:

X  /  (Set A < Set B)  *  (Set C < Set D)  =  Dao

Second solution of this equation is
X = (B  >  C)  /  (A  >  D)
The explanation of this solution in words is
X = If Set A includes Set D, then Set B also includes Set C.

That is to say, this one conclusion could be explained as:

If "Set A belongs to Set B" and "Set C belongs to Set D"; then "if Set
A includes Set D, then Set B also includes Set C".

Above law is logical.

Conbra


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From: Conbra <s...@sh163.net>
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:46:20 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: What logical conclusions will be drawn from “Set A belongs to Set B” and “Set C belongs to Set D” ?
On Jul 21, 8:16 am, Conbra <s...@sh163.net> wrote:

X  /  (Set A < Set B)  *  (Set C < Set D)  =  Dao

Third solution of this equation is
X = (A  <  D)  /  (B  <  C)
The explanation of this solution in words is
X = If Set B belong to Set C, then Set A also belong to Set D.

That is to say, this one conclusion could be explained as:

If "Set A belongs to Set B" and "Set C belongs to Set D"; then "if Set
B belong to Set C, then Set A also belong to Set D".

Above law is logical.

Conbra


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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:36:06 +0200
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Subject: Re: What logical conclusions will be drawn from “Set A belongs to Set B” and “Set C belongs to Set D” ?
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