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Matthew  
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 More options Aug 4, 2:35 pm
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: "Matthew" <I...@yourmomshouse.com>
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 14:35:09 -0400
Local: Mon, Aug 4 2008 2:35 pm
Subject: need some advice
I handle in-house commercial production for a small retail chain and we're
distributing our comercials to 3 different markets across the state via
shooting on a PD-170 and then mastering to BetaSP (it's still the one format
that every station will take). The owner wants to go ahead and shift the
shooting to HDV so that we can start to archive some footage of some special
events we participate in for next year's promotion. But he's not ready to
upgrade our edit suite or distribution at this time. I'm currently editing
on a system running Premiere 1.5 with a BlackMagic SD card, firewire into
the system and BlackMagic out to a UVW-1800. I'm looking at possibly going
with a Sony PMX-EX1 or maybe EX3 but am I going to run into problems
dropping the footage down to SD for distribution? Especially with Premiere
1.5?  Also... do you think it's a mistake to go with a tapeless camera if we
do need to archive a decent amount of footage? I'm just thinking that drives
aren't extremely expensive these days...but I'm still reading up on
workfllow changed when working in a tapeless enviroment.

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Spex  
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 More options Aug 4, 4:57 pm
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From: Spex <No.s...@ta.com>
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 21:57:37 +0100
Local: Mon, Aug 4 2008 4:57 pm
Subject: Re: need some advice

I'm not familiar with Premiere 1.5 but if I were moving into the HDV or
XDCAM EX arena then I would upgrade the suite too.  Does Premiere 1.5
support XDCAM EX even?

How do you propose to drop down the footage to SD?  The SD Blackmagic
card is unlikely to do it again making a case for an HD version that can
cross convert to SD would be a good idea for your workflow.

My own personal take on tapeless acquisition is that it is still in its
infancy so solid state prices are comparatively high so you'd probably
want to capture to a HDD which Sony now have for the EX3.  It is an
absolute must that you have a bullet-proof media backup system in place
as early as possible after shooting.  This obviously has a cost
implication not only as far as having a backup while in production but
obviously long term too.  I am completely signed up to the rapid
turnaround benefits to tapeless shooting but anything longer term I'm
not so sure at this time.

Personally I'm still happy to spend next to nothing for a good quality
DV tape that records an hour of HDV on my Canon XH-A1 that doubles as a
proven reliable archive too.

If money is tight I would have a look at HDV (have a good look at the
Canon range) instead of XDCAM EX.  I'd edit in HDV then render out the
completed project to SD, then import back into your system for output to
tape via your existing SD hardware.

When your company has out grown the HDV solution solid state recording
options are going to be so much more affordable.  This is exactly where
I am now.

I'd be very surprised whatever you intend to do if your boss didn't have
to put his hands in his pockets to upgrade some software or hardware to
accommodate the new workflow.


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Mike Kujbida  
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 More options Aug 4, 8:44 pm
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From: Mike Kujbida <kXuXjXfX...@xplornet.com>
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 20:44:52 -0400
Local: Mon, Aug 4 2008 8:44 pm
Subject: Re: need some advice

I'd suggest reading the thread titled "SONY.... please, please....
PLEASE....." on the Sony Vegas forum at
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?ForumID=4&...
(or http://tinyurl.com/6br3gr if the above link gets wrapped).
It started off talking about HDV issues but quickly became a tape vs.
tapeless thread with a lot of potentially useful information.

Mike


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Spex  
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 More options Aug 5, 5:46 am
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From: Spex <No.s...@ta.com>
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 10:46:25 +0100
Local: Tues, Aug 5 2008 5:46 am
Subject: Re: need some advice

I just scan read that thread an one thing that popped out was someone
saying HDDs don't fail if little used.  Well, last week I had a drive
die on the shelf.  It was fine when I used it some months ago but now it
has died, it is an ex-drive.  It was an eSATA Enterprise drive from WD
with the lowest failure rate going!  Fortunately I haven't lost any data
as it is backed up to LTO, a tape!

In the light of the above I wonder if there is such a thing as a truly
tapeless workflow?  Not for me yet.

Canon said around NAB time that they believe 2 years will be the sweet
spot for tapeless acquisition when SD memory prices for an an hour of
shooting are not that much more than tapes were at the beginning of the
DV revolution.  Still more expensive than tape at today's prices but
cheap enough to use once and then place on shelf.


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Matthew  
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 More options Aug 5, 9:37 am
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From: "Matthew" <I...@yourmomshouse.com>
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 09:37:38 -0400
Local: Tues, Aug 5 2008 9:37 am
Subject: Re: need some advice

"Spex" <No.s...@ta.com> wrote in message

news:JNmdncjJjubc8ArVnZ2dnUVZ8uSdnZ2d@posted.plusnet...

Well don't get me wrong... we do plan to upgrade the suite as well... I just
don't have the budget for both it and the camera at this point. My goal here
was to go ahead and upgrade the camera now and then the suite closer to the
end of the year. That way I could go ahead and start archiving footage this
year and not waste any time.

The Canon XL-H1 was my second choice and fall back camera if tapeless didn't
look like the right choice for my needs... though I hate that I already own
a few Sony related products that I may have to toss.

I need to dig into Premiere 1.5 to see what it's capaple of, but I was
hoping someone in here might just know off the top of their head. When
you're a one man show, sometimes you don't have the luxury of time when it
comes to research. And after an event we were at last Saturday, my boss is
pressuring me to make a purchase as soon as possible.


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Matthew  
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 More options Aug 5, 9:44 am
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From: "Matthew" <I...@yourmomshouse.com>
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 09:44:40 -0400
Local: Tues, Aug 5 2008 9:44 am
Subject: Re: need some advice

"Mike Kujbida" <kXuXjXfX...@xplornet.com> wrote in message

news:6fpm4eFciaa5U1@mid.individual.net...

> Spex wrote:
>> Matthew wrote:

> I'd suggest reading the thread titled "SONY.... please, please....
> PLEASE....." on the Sony Vegas forum at
> http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?ForumID=4&...
> (or http://tinyurl.com/6br3gr if the above link gets wrapped).
> It started off talking about HDV issues but quickly became a tape vs.
> tapeless thread with a lot of potentially useful information.

> Mike

Thank you for the link!

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Richard Crowley  
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 More options Aug 5, 4:28 pm
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From: "Richard Crowley" <rcrow...@xp7rt.net>
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 13:28:38 -0700
Local: Tues, Aug 5 2008 4:28 pm
Subject: Re: need some advice

"Spex" wrote...
> I just scan read that thread an one thing that popped out was someone
> saying HDDs don't fail if little used.  Well, last week I had a drive die
> on the shelf.  It was fine when I used it some months ago but now it has
> died, it is an ex-drive.  It was an eSATA Enterprise drive from WD with
> the lowest failure rate going!  Fortunately I haven't lost any data as it
> is backed up to LTO, a tape!

If I may add a "me too".  Hard drives are NOT "archival"
storage. They can be convienent to set on the shelf for quick
access to revise a project or re-use some footage, but NEVER
rely on a hard drive as your primary archive or backup for
any kind of data (especially video that didn't come from a
videotape of some kind).

I have a growing stack of dead hard drives to demonstrate
the effect. Perhaps I should post a photo online.


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Bill Fright  
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 More options Aug 5, 7:05 pm
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From: Bill Fright <billfri...@austin.rr.com>
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 18:05:39 -0500
Local: Tues, Aug 5 2008 7:05 pm
Subject: Re: need some advice

If you don't mind me asking, how are your hard drives dieing? Are the
internal or external and what system are you using to kill them? I've
had only one fail since 1987.

Just curious,
Bill


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Richard Crowley  
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 More options Aug 5, 8:49 pm
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From: "Richard Crowley" <rcrow...@xp7rt.net>
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 17:49:29 -0700
Local: Tues, Aug 5 2008 8:49 pm
Subject: Re: need some advice
"Bill Fright" wrote ...

> If you don't mind me asking, how are your hard drives dieing?

They either fail to spin up (after sitting around for months/years)
or else they spin up, but report that they "aren't formatted" or
some such catastrophic data failure mode.

> Are they internal or external

I've had both fail. I have seen no distinction between internal
and external.

> and what system are you using to kill them?

Not sure what that means?  If you mean what operating system,
I'm using MS Windows.  But I don't think MSwin is killing the
drives   :-)

> I've had only one fail since 1987.

Then you've had remarkably good luck with them. I wish
you continued good fortune.

At least at this point in the game, digital mag tape is the most
reliable commonly used backup/archival medium.


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Jack Perry  
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 More options Aug 6, 12:00 am
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From: Jack Perry <vidpr...@optonline.net>
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 00:00:43 -0400
Local: Wed, Aug 6 2008 12:00 am
Subject: Re: need some advice

Several things to consider:

you can upgrade from Premiere Pro 1.5  to PPCS3 for $299  --

You'll get most flavors of DV, HDV and some XDCAM plus
the new version comes with Adobe Encore ---For Blu Ray and regular Sd
DVD Authoring,Encore is a very powerful and versatile program - just
learned it,  AND you get: Adobe On Location -- a nice Field Monitoring
and Straight to Hard Drive Recording program

as an experiment using an old sony VX2000 as a video pass-through
monitoring device I was able to load and scale HDV footage into to my DV
project from my Sony Z7U in real-Time using the cheapest Q6400 Quad Core
Processor editing System in PPCS3. Very Steller performance for $299 and
that's where you should start IMHO

Prem Pro 1.5 is good but very outdated for new formats

The EX1 is an awesome camera, I have one of those too. You can backup
all your  files very quickly onto Dual Layer DVD's -- (Verbatum Brand -
$1 or so apiece) If Critical, make 2 copies. Use Hard Drives for Working
backups
They DO FAIL sitting on the shelf --I've had several go down like that.

Shoot in HDV Mode DownConvert to DV in PPCS3

or save a Grand and Get the Sony Z7U --- Shoot and Archive on Tape
--Simultaneously record to Flash Media

The Z7 is also Phenomenal Camera --Just shot a bunch of stuff for E
Networks and REUTERS with mine and the picture quality blows away stuff
I used to shoot on my trusty Betacam rig

--JP


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Matthew  
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 More options Aug 6, 10:03 am
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From: "Matthew" <I...@yourmomshouse.com>
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 10:03:39 -0400
Local: Wed, Aug 6 2008 10:03 am
Subject: Re: need some advice