When did it become ok to not finish a round at a National Championship?
Northwest (seattle) boys high school team played at the Westerns Nationals in K.C. this past weekend (they are current 2 time champs). They did not make the Championship bracket on sunday and decided not to play at all that day. They had a 12:30 start time but decided as there players put it " we are in the Consulation bracket so we decided not to play". When did this become OK? Play out your seed. School's travel 1000's of miles to play other school's around the nation and because you didn't make the Champoinship bracket you don't play thru? I asked the coaches of Northwest why they did not play in the consulation bracket. Here's what i was told. 1.It was to windy, someone might get hit in the face because of the wind, to dangerous. 2. The fields were not good. Granted the fields were bad but everyone had to play on the same fields all weekend. And if they were so dangerous why did you play on them on saturday? 3. They said they didn't want to get sued. I assume you have the kids sign a waiver excluding you from being sued by crazy Ultimate parents. 4. we have 12 ankle tweaks. The boys need to save themselves for YCC and State Championships. Then don't come to Westerns and save yourselves for State and YCC. All teams have players going to those tournaments. 5. We asked the tournament director and she said it was ok. Where was the UPA on this. It is unfair when teams do not finish there rounds. It ended up our team playing a school from ou state again for the 3rd time this year.
Granted the fields were very poor and would have caused an uproar if college of Club teams had to play on them. But we were all in the same boat. It was just a bunch of elitist crap cause they did not make it to the upper braket. It was a poor example to lead kids in that direction of not finishing a tournament no matter what the out come. This is a National Championship and you need to play out the games for spirit and the good of ultimate.
> When did it become ok to not finish a round at a National > Championship?
> Northwest (seattle) boys high school team played at the Westerns > Nationals in K.C. this past weekend (they are current 2 time champs). > They did not make the Championship bracket on sunday and decided not > to play at all that day. They had a 12:30 start time but decided as > there players put it " we are in the Consulation bracket so we decided > not to play". > When did this become OK? Play out your seed. School's travel 1000's > of miles to play other school's around the nation and because you > didn't make the Champoinship bracket you don't play thru? > I asked the coaches of Northwest why they did not play in the > consulation bracket. Here's what i was told. > 1.It was to windy, someone might get hit in the face because of the > wind, to dangerous. > 2. The fields were not good. Granted the fields were bad but everyone > had to play on the same fields all weekend. And if they were so > dangerous why did you play on them on saturday? > 3. They said they didn't want to get sued. I assume you have the kids > sign a waiver excluding you from being sued by crazy Ultimate parents. > 4. we have 12 ankle tweaks. The boys need to save themselves for YCC > and State Championships. Then don't come to Westerns and save > yourselves for State and YCC. All teams have players going to those > tournaments. > 5. We asked the tournament director and she said it was ok. Where was > the UPA on this. It is unfair when teams do not finish there rounds. > It ended up our team playing a school from ou state again for the 3rd > time this year.
> Granted the fields were very poor and would have caused an uproar if > college of Club teams had to play on them. But we were all in the > same boat. It was just a bunch of elitist crap cause they did not > make it to the upper braket. It was a poor example to lead kids in > that direction of not finishing a tournament no matter what the out > come. This is a National Championship and you need to play out the > games for spirit and the good of ultimate.
1. well, it's not a national championship. it is "westerns." 2. it is not rare, let alone uncommon, for teams at various levels to not play out consolation play. some people hate this fact, and others aren't too worried about it. not sure it's something worth complaining about every time it happens. 3. not really the point of your post, but it sure sucks that the field site for an important tournament is so bad.
westerns is nationals of today, for everyone west of the mississippi. in high school ultimate they split up nationals into westerns and easterns based on the mississippi after the 2004 season, since high schoolers had a harder time being allowed to travel long distances for a tournament. so yes, it was for a national championship.
> 3. not really the point of your post, but it sure sucks that the field > site for an important tournament is so bad.
The sports complex was brand new. I heard that literally Westerns was the first event ever to be held there from an Independence, MO resident. I'm sure the complex's fields will become much better in a couple of years.
> When did it become ok to not finish a round at a National > Championship?
> Northwest (seattle) boys high school team played at the Westerns > Nationals in K.C. this past weekend (they are current 2 time champs). > They did not make the Championship bracket on sunday and decided not > to play at all that day. They had a 12:30 start time but decided as > there players put it " we are in the Consulation bracket so we decided > not to play". > When did this become OK? Play out your seed. School's travel 1000's > of miles to play other school's around the nation and because you > didn't make the Champoinship bracket you don't play thru? > I asked the coaches of Northwest why they did not play in the > consulation bracket. Here's what i was told. > 1.It was to windy, someone might get hit in the face because of the > wind, to dangerous. > 2. The fields were not good. Granted the fields were bad but everyone > had to play on the same fields all weekend. And if they were so > dangerous why did you play on them on saturday? > 3. They said they didn't want to get sued. I assume you have the kids > sign a waiver excluding you from being sued by crazy Ultimate parents. > 4. we have 12 ankle tweaks. The boys need to save themselves for YCC > and State Championships. Then don't come to Westerns and save > yourselves for State and YCC. All teams have players going to those > tournaments. > 5. We asked the tournament director and she said it was ok. Where was > the UPA on this. It is unfair when teams do not finish there rounds. > It ended up our team playing a school from ou state again for the 3rd > time this year.
> Granted the fields were very poor and would have caused an uproar if > college of Club teams had to play on them. But we were all in the > same boat. It was just a bunch of elitist crap cause they did not > make it to the upper braket. It was a poor example to lead kids in > that direction of not finishing a tournament no matter what the out > come. This is a National Championship and you need to play out the > games for spirit and the good of ultimate.
Thats pathetic. I went to Easterns in highschool in Pitsburgh PA where we were so excited to be there we would have played on concret. It does suck that the fields were no good but who hasnt played on bad fields? Especially in high school. The only thing that comes from a team deciding not to play on sunday because they think that are too good for the tournament is hurt the chances for other less experienced teams to play good competition. It is extremely hard in high school to play other good high school teams on a regular basis. Coaches in high school should not only be concerned with the development of there team but the development of the sport. The more people playing in high school means better ultimate in college and beyond. And there has never been an ultimate player without an ankle tweak or two, or 12. Come on coach, better excuses in the future.
so i assume that this is coming from a rockhurst person as the bracket says that that is who was supposed to play http://upa.org/scores/tourn.cgi?div=17&id=4880 all of this stuff im looking at comes from the westerns bracket, i wasnt actually there so this could all be false so you were angry that instead of playing the same exact game that you had played the previous day in pool play the northwest boys team decided to forgoe playing a rematch consolation game and instead cheer on their girls in the semi finals, something that may have actually caused their girls to win, as they won on double game point, and having a ton of loud obnoxious teenage boys cheering for you can be helpful in getting you pumped. so ill say that i think it was perfectly fair if they didnt want to risk injury to replay a game from the previous day and in doing so miss their schoolmates en route to winning their first westerns. isnt rockhurst from relatively close to independence so i dont know if you have the right to complain about traveling 1000's of miles. but whatever just some thoughts.
On May 16, 10:44 am, "richardaustinw...@gmail.com"
<richardaustinw...@gmail.com> wrote: > > westerns is nationals of today, for everyone west of the mississippi.
> So what's the big deal about them wanting to save up for the state > championship? It's nationals for everyone within the borders of > Washington.
The big deal is it's NATIONALS. Teams drive from all over to play other teams from around the country. Don't go if you aren't going to finish. This does not happen and is not excepted at other Nationals. Why Here?
> > When did it become ok to not finish a round at a National > > Championship?
> > Northwest (seattle) boys high school team played at the Westerns > > Nationals in K.C. this past weekend (they are current 2 time champs). > > They did not make the Championship bracket on sunday and decided not > > to play at all that day. They had a 12:30 start time but decided as > > there players put it " we are in the Consulation bracket so we decided > > not to play". > > When did this become OK? Play out your seed. School's travel 1000's > > of miles to play other school's around the nation and because you > > didn't make the Champoinship bracket you don't play thru? > > I asked the coaches of Northwest why they did not play in the > > consulation bracket. Here's what i was told. > > 1.It was to windy, someone might get hit in the face because of the > > wind, to dangerous. > > 2. The fields were not good. Granted the fields were bad but everyone > > had to play on the same fields all weekend. And if they were so > > dangerous why did you play on them on saturday? > > 3. They said they didn't want to get sued. I assume you have the kids > > sign a waiver excluding you from being sued by crazy Ultimate parents. > > 4. we have 12 ankle tweaks. The boys need to save themselves for YCC > > and State Championships. Then don't come to Westerns and save > > yourselves for State and YCC. All teams have players going to those > > tournaments. > > 5. We asked the tournament director and she said it was ok. Where was > > the UPA on this. It is unfair when teams do not finish there rounds. > > It ended up our team playing a school from ou state again for the 3rd > > time this year.
> > Granted the fields were very poor and would have caused an uproar if > > college of Club teams had to play on them. But we were all in the > > same boat. It was just a bunch of elitist crap cause they did not > > make it to the upper braket. It was a poor example to lead kids in > > that direction of not finishing a tournament no matter what the out > > come. This is a National Championship and you need to play out the > > games for spirit and the good of ultimate.
> 1. well, it's not a national championship. it is "westerns." > 2. it is not rare, let alone uncommon, for teams at various levels to > not play out consolation play. some people hate this fact, and others > aren't too worried about it. not sure it's something worth > complaining about every time it happens. > 3. not really the point of your post, but it sure sucks that the field > site for an important tournament is so bad.
IT IS RARE at Nationals to not play out the seeds. Norhtwest did not even play 1 game in the consulation round. They blew off the whole day.
> so i assume that this is coming from a rockhurst person as the bracket > says that that is who was supposed to play > http://upa.org/scores/tourn.cgi?div=17&id=4880 > all of this stuff im looking at comes from the westerns bracket, i > wasnt actually there so this could all be false > so you were angry that instead of playing the same exact game that you > had played the previous day in pool play the northwest boys team > decided to forgoe playing a rematch consolation game and instead cheer > on their girls in the semi finals, something that may have actually > caused their girls to win, as they won on double game point, and > having a ton of loud obnoxious teenage boys cheering for you can be > helpful in getting you pumped. so ill say that i think it was > perfectly fair if they didnt want to risk injury to replay a game from > the previous day and in doing so miss their schoolmates en route to > winning their first westerns. isnt rockhurst from relatively close to > independence so i dont know if you have the right to complain about > traveling 1000's of miles. but whatever just some thoughts.
This is Eden Prairie MN Complaining. We would have played them for the 9th place game if they played thru. We lost to them by a point the 1st day and my boys wanted to play them again. But that's not really the point. The Point is IT"S NATIONALS. the premier tournament for the sport, not just any other tournament. They treated it like any other weekend. Poor Judgement.
