[A complimentary Cc of this posting was sent to Uri Guttman <u...@stemsystems.com>], who wrote in article <x7tzgy1aus....@mail.sysarch.com>:
> >> better but forking off lynx is still slow. LWP should be much faster. if > >> you want speed (and with the data size you have, you want it), use LWP.
> IZ> This may depend on many parameters, but the overhead of > IZ> system()ing may be quite low. The overhead of opening a new HTTP > IZ> connection for each line may be larger. LWP will have a chance to > IZ> use persistent connections...
> i highly doubt forking lynx and it doing a fetch with passing the page > back via a pipe would be faster than a direct call to lwp and getting > the page in ram. it would have to be a very odd system for the lynx > solution to be faster.
> and lynx would have to always open a new connection as forked procs have > no memory.
I do not think you understood what I wrote.
I'm not claiming that *this* overhead is small. What I say is that *other* overheads may be not negligible.
Keith Keller wrote: > On 2008-05-16, Gordon Etly <g.e...@bentsys.INVALID.com> wrote: > > Any email address is not an identity. It's an email address. The > > "Name" field is your identity), and I have not changed that. > There is no "Name" field. The From: header often includes both a name > and an email address.
Many readers separate the "name" and "email" fields. I never changed my name. The email address part of the From: line is not a atatic entity; one can always change their email address. It's anyone's right to do so, as it's their info. You're not suggesting an email address is a reliable way of tracking someone, are you?
> Changing one's From: header as often as you have is a strong > indicator of a troll.
Or someone who does not wish to satisfy someone's false notion that they can force the last word using that tired old method. If they going to reply and then inform you that you're killfiled, as if the public really needs to know (#1), then it is no less wrong to circumvent their killfile; it's attack an counter, something that's existed as long as man.
If one really wants to ignore me, they can either not read my posts or block my name, as that remains constant.
> > Lastly, attempting to pose that "identity" on a medium like UseNet > > actually meaning something is idiotic at best. There is no guarantee > > that a name you see is a real name, and in many cases it is not. > > Many > > people use a "nick" name of sorts, and it is quite common to use a > > false or munged email address to thwart spammer email harvesting. > It is not common to alter the From: header
This is untrue. I see many people post one day with one name and/or email and the next time I see a variant of their Name (or a nick name) and/or a differing email address.
> no matter whether your name is Gordon Etly, Gordon Gekko, or Trolly > McTroll.
My name has always been Gordon Etly. That is my identity; my name. If one wishes to killfile me using that, then they are welcome to do so. If they killfile me by email address then
(#1) If you true need to ignore someone, you don't need to announce the fact, or for that matter, one doesn't need a killfile either, though it can be nice.
>> A morphed identity is when a poster has one usenet identity,
> Any email address is not an identity. It's an email address. The > "Name" field is your identity), and I have not changed that. > I am free to change my email address field however I wish, > as are you and anyone else.
In newsgroups, your identity is your full handle. It does not matter if that does not correspond to your real life identity. So, so long as you pick one, and stick with it, no one has a problem with it.
Except,
>> Sender Address >> The e-mail addresses given in "From:", "Reply-To:", and "Sender:" >> should be valid (= should not bounce because of invalidity). Using >> addresses and name space of other people without their permission is >> prohibited.
You snipped the source of that rule. That is a rule stated by the service provider you chose.
> Being in control of your mail server actually allows you to fulfill > the "should not bounce because of invalidity" if you want to get down > to that.
That's funny because most of the domain names you use are not registered. I am not sure how you are running a mail servers for non- existent domains.
Second, some of the domains you use are registered but do not seem to be owned by someone named Gordon Etly.
> How a poster writes their email address is completely up to > that person. A rather large amount of people munge their email > addresses, so this isn't even an issue.
From other users' perspective, what matters is that you pick one and stick with it. It seems like your service provider has explicit policies prohibiting you from using non-existent domains or domains owned by others. So, you should argue this point with them.
> Lastly, attempting to pose that "identity" on a medium like UseNet > actually meaning something is idiotic at best. There is no guarantee > that a name you see is a real name, and in many cases it is not. Many > people use a "nick" name of sorts, and it is quite common to use a > false or munged email address to thwart spammer email harvesting.
And that is completely irrelevant.
Sinan
-- A. Sinan Unur <1...@llenroc.ude.invalid> (remove .invalid and reverse each component for email address)
>> > I'm just pointing out what is. It's you who keep bringing this upon >> > yourself. You are constantly rude and arrogant to people, then you
>> Changing your identity again because everyone filtered you?
>1) My identity has never changed.
Oh really? So Author: Gordon Etly <g...@bentsys.com> Author: Gordon Etly <ge...@bentsys-INVALID.com> Author: Gordon Etly <g.e...@bent-INVALID-sys.com> was not you? How come that I don't believe you?
And now using identity number 4: Author: Gordon Etly <g.e...@bentsys.INVALID.com>?
You must have a _REALLY_ bad reputation that you feel the need to change your ID every other day.
>2) Why are you trying to speak for everyone. While certain people may >share your view (and vice versa), it doesn't mean you speak for the >whole of the group.
"Gordon Etly" <g.e...@bentsys.INVALID.com> wrote: >Keith Keller wrote: >> On 2008-05-16, Gordon Etly <g.e...@bentsys.INVALID.com> wrote: >> There is no "Name" field. The From: header often includes both a name >> and an email address.
>Many readers separate the "name" and "email" fields.
Nonsense. There is a From header. And maybe a ReplyTo header. And maybe a FollowupTo header. But there is no such thing as a "Name" or an "Email" header field in the first place.
>I never changed my >name. The email address part of the From: line is not a atatic entity; >one can always change their email address. It's anyone's right to do so, >as it's their info. You're not suggesting an email address is a reliable >way of tracking someone, are you?
If someone has to change it frequently then it is a very good indication that that person has something to hide in their past. Why else would they change their ID frequently?
Jürgen Exner wrote: > "Gordon Etly" <g.e...@bentsys.INVALID.com> wrote: > > Jürgen Exner wrote: > > > "Gordon Etly" <g.e...@bent-INVALID-sys.com> wrote: > > > > I'm just pointing out what is. It's you who keep bringing this > > > > upon > > > > yourself. You are constantly rude and arrogant to people, then > > > > you > > > Changing your identity again because everyone filtered you? > > 1) My identity has never changed. > Oh really? So > Author: Gordon Etly <g...@bentsys.com> > Author: Gordon Etly <ge...@bentsys-INVALID.com> > Author: Gordon Etly <g.e...@bent-INVALID-sys.com> > was not you?
My name never changed. Email address is not an identity, it's an email address. They are a variable field. One can always change it, so stop trying to use that as an argument here. I said before my name never changed and you just proved that for me.
> > 2) Why are you trying to speak for everyone. While certain people > > may > > share your view (and vice versa), it doesn't mean you speak for the > > whole of the group. > I never claimed to speak for anyone but myself.
Not true:
( from above )
> > > Changing your identity again because everyone filtered you?
You clearly implied you knew -everyone- had done it. Stop trying to misrepresent things in order to formulate your arguments.
Jürgen Exner wrote: > "Gordon Etly" <g.e...@bentsys.INVALID.com> wrote: > > Keith Keller wrote: > > > On 2008-05-16, Gordon Etly <g.e...@bentsys.INVALID.com> wrote: > > > There is no "Name" field. The From: header often includes both a > > > name and an email address. > > Many readers separate the "name" and "email" fields. > Nonsense. There is a From header. And maybe a ReplyTo header. And > maybe a FollowupTo header. But there is no such thing as a "Name" or > an "Email" header field in the first place.
No, most readers that I've used give separate fields for Name and Email. It writes the From: header behind the scenes. Either way, it doesn't change the fact that Email part is a variable field that can change at any time. Whether it's from changing email providers, or any number of reasons (which one is not required to disclose), it is a person's own choice what they want to display to the public as an email address.
Hell, some providers don't even require an email address (I once had one when I was in Europe for a few months that allowed "Name < >" (a space for an email), which I realized when I forgot to enter an email. Granted most don't allow it, but the point is what ever it is, it's up to the poster.
> If someone has to change it frequently then it is a very good > indication that that person has something to hide in their past.
Err... I never changed my name, so how could I possible be trying to hide? Actualyl quite the oppisite, I change the way my email appears in the From: like so I am -NOT- hidden :)
>> A. Sinan Unur wrote: >>> "Gordon Etly" wrote in
>>>> Jürgen Exner wrote:
>>> Noting from the Anti-Troll FAQ:
>>> Subject: 7.6 Morphed Identity
>>> A morphed identity is when a poster has one usenet identity,
>> Any email address is not an identity. It's an email address. The >> "Name" field is your identity), and I have not changed that. >> I am free to change my email address field however I wish, >> as are you and anyone else.
> In newsgroups, your identity is your full handle. It does not matter > if that does not correspond to your real life identity. So, so long > as you pick one, and stick with it, no one has a problem with it.
> Except,
> > > Sender Address > > > The e-mail addresses given in "From:", "Reply-To:", and "Sender:" > > > should be valid (= should not bounce because of invalidity). Using > > > addresses and name space of other people without their permission > > > is > > > prohibited. > You snipped the source of that rule. That is a rule stated by the > service provider you chose.
So what? I am not violating it.
> > Being in control of your mail server actually allows you to fulfill > > the "should not bounce because of invalidity" if you want to get > > down > > to that. > That's funny because most of the domain names you use are not > registered.
Please stop playing stupid. I am not the first to add "invalid" or "nospam" or so to my email address. IT's a common practice and it've never been prohibted by any privider I've come across. Bottom line: the email address you enter is for public display and that's what many harvesters look for.
> Second, some of the domains you use are registered
I only use one domain. You know very well about munging practices so please stop feigning ignorance so suddenly.
> but do not seem to be owned by someone named Gordon Etly.
Come on, really. How many @aol, @yahoo, etc etc etc own those domains? You know better than to make such an arugement. Most people -don't- own the domain their email is in.
> > How a poster writes their email address is completely up to > > that person. A rather large amount of people munge their email > > addresses, so this isn't even an issue. > From other users' perspective, what matters is that you pick one and > stick with it.
One does not have to use the same email address. One is free to change that to what ever they wish.
> "Gordon Etly" <g.e...@bentsys.INVALID.com> wrote: > >Keith Keller wrote: > >> On 2008-05-16, Gordon Etly <g.e...@bentsys.INVALID.com> wrote: > >> There is no "Name" field. The From: header often includes both a name > >> and an email address.
> >Many readers separate the "name" and "email" fields.
> Nonsense. There is a From header. And maybe a ReplyTo header. And maybe > a FollowupTo header. But there is no such thing as a "Name" or an > "Email" header field in the first place.
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