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Fons  
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  More options May 16, 3:56 pm
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From: Fons <fonzz...@SPAMxs4allPLEASE.nl>
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 20:56:32 +0100
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Subject: Java & Delphi
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What can a programmer in Delphi do best if he wants to try Java ? Comparable
IDE, making forms, debugging, etc.

Thanks,
Fons.


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Fons  
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  More options May 16, 4:17 pm
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From: Fons <fonzz...@SPAMxs4allPLEASE.nl>
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 21:17:28 +0100
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I found the Oracle JDeveloper.

http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/jdev/index.html

Ok ? It's free.

Thanks,
Fons.


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Mark Space  
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  More options May 16, 4:11 pm
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From: Mark Space <marksp...@sbc.global.net>
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 13:11:19 -0700
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Fons wrote:
> I found the Oracle JDeveloper.

> http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/jdev/index.html

> Ok ? It's free.

> Thanks,
> Fons.

I can't talk about Delphi, but NetBeans and Eclipse are the two big (and
free) IDEs in the Java world.

<http://www.netbeans.org/>
<http://download.netbeans.org/netbeans/6.1/final/>

I use NetBeans and I like it a lot.

<http://www.eclipse.org/>
<http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/>

I didn't care for Eclipse but there's plenty of folks who like it over
NetBeans.  Best to check them out and decide for yourself.


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Fons  
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  More options May 16, 6:16 pm
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From: Fons <fonzz...@SPAMxs4allPLEASE.nl>
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 23:16:34 +0100
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Thanks for the links. I'll check 'm.

But how about the two "versions" (correct me if I'm wrong) of Java: one
interpreted and one semi-compiled ? Please explain. Can both IDE's handle both ?
  Or do I completely misunderstand ?

Fons.


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Arne Vajhøj  
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  More options May 16, 7:19 pm
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From: Arne Vajhøj <a...@vajhoej.dk>
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 19:19:16 -0400
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Fons wrote:
> But how about the two "versions" (correct me if I'm wrong) of Java: one
> interpreted and one semi-compiled ? Please explain. Can both IDE's
> handle both ?  Or do I completely misunderstand ?

You have misunderstood.

The Java compiler just transforms the Java source to Java byte code,
which you can consider just a binary version of the source.

The Java byte code is then JIT compiled by the JVM.

JIT compilation is real compilation not semi.

JIT is used by the JVM unless explicit disabled with the -Xint switch.

Since this is handled by the JVM then it is independent of the IDE.

Arne


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Fons  
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  More options May 16, 8:24 pm
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From: Fons <fonzz...@SPAMxs4allPLEASE.nl>
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 01:24:02 +0100
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Thanks for the explanation.

But isn't there also Java -in- HTML that is interpreted ?

Fons.


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  More options May 16, 9:13 pm
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From: Fons <fonzz...@SPAMxs4allPLEASE.nl>
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 02:13:55 +0100
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On http://download.netbeans.org/netbeans/6.1/final/ I can choose:

   "Web & Java EE" and "Java SE"

Which one should I get ? Or: what do EE and SE mean ? I tried to find the
meaning but it is not clear to me.

Fons.


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Arne Vajhøj  
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  More options May 16, 8:22 pm
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From: Arne Vajhøj <a...@vajhoej.dk>
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 20:22:01 -0400
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Fons wrote:
> But isn't there also Java -in- HTML that is interpreted ?

There is JavaScript used in HTML pages.

JavaScript is interpreted but it is also a completely different
language from Java.

Arne


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Arne Vajhøj  
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  More options May 16, 8:23 pm
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From: Arne Vajhøj <a...@vajhoej.dk>
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 20:23:49 -0400
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Fons wrote:
> On http://download.netbeans.org/netbeans/6.1/final/ I can choose:

>   "Web & Java EE" and "Java SE"

> Which one should I get ? Or: what do EE and SE mean ? I tried to find
> the meaning but it is not clear to me.

The Java SE version will enable you to do console apps, GUI apps
and some general coding.

The Java EE version will allow you to do web apps and
certain types of components.

Arne


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Arne Vajhøj  
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  More options May 16, 8:25 pm
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From: Arne Vajhøj <a...@vajhoej.dk>
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 20:25:07 -0400
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Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> Fons wrote:
>> On http://download.netbeans.org/netbeans/6.1/final/ I can choose:

>>   "Web & Java EE" and "Java SE"

>> Which one should I get ? Or: what do EE and SE mean ? I tried to find
>> the meaning but it is not clear to me.

> The Java SE version will enable you to do console apps, GUI apps
> and some general coding.

> The Java EE version will allow you to do web apps and
> certain types of components.

BTW, it is not so difficult to google those two terms.

Arne


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  More options May 16, 9:04 pm
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From: Donkey Hot <s...@plc.is-a-geek.com>
Date: 17 May 2008 01:04:26 GMT
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Arne Vajhøj <a...@vajhoej.dk> wrote in news:482e2529$0$90270$14726298
@news.sunsite.dk:

> Fons wrote:
>> But isn't there also Java -in- HTML that is interpreted ?

> There is JavaScript used in HTML pages.

> JavaScript is interpreted but it is also a completely different
> language from Java.

> Arne

And again: it is completely different. JavaScript could be called with it's
real name: EcmaScript.

JavaScript differs from Java more than VBScript from Visual Basic.
JavaScript and Java has something common: the chacters { and } but that's
it.


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Arne Vajhøj  
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  More options May 16, 9:42 pm
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From: Arne Vajhøj <a...@vajhoej.dk>
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 21:42:52 -0400
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Donkey Hot wrote:
> Arne Vajhøj <a...@vajhoej.dk> wrote in news:482e2529$0$90270$14726298
> @news.sunsite.dk:
>> Fons wrote:
>>> But isn't there also Java -in- HTML that is interpreted ?
>> There is JavaScript used in HTML pages.

>> JavaScript is interpreted but it is also a completely different
>> language from Java.

> And again: it is completely different. JavaScript could be called with it's
> real name: EcmaScript.

It is the name it is standardized under.

The name has never been widely used.

> JavaScript differs from Java more than VBScript from Visual Basic.

Good point.

VBS, VB and VBA are very related.

Arne


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Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 22:11:26 -0400
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